اقتراح فجوة مشتركة

[youcef zegaar]

Welcome
We thank you for your effort in serving science
We suggest setting a restriction that allows a common gap for a group of professors of the same scientific subject, and another restriction for teachers of the same class if possible, which will facilitate coordination between them.

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[Volker Dirr]

Thank you!

Can you please explain your second suggestion "another restriction for teachers of the same class if possible, which will facilitate coordination between them" a bit more detailed. I don't understand that.

[YOUSSEF HOUIET]

you add an activity with all subject teachers

[youcef zegaar]

I mean a common gap for a group of teachers who participate in teaching a group of students

[Volker Dirr]

ah.. ok. So in fact it is not a gap. In fact it is an activity where all teachers of that class can talk to each other.

You must add such an activity manualy at the moment. Just add an activity with all teachers of that class. Don't add students. Maybe call the subject "meeting".

I am not sure how to add this feature. I think this is not a constraint for a gap. It should be feature button for adding automatic activities in the activity tab or the activity planning dialog. But i am not sure how to do it correct for courses and years that a divided automaticly into different divisions. I fear there will be too many activities added, even in fact you probaly want only this activity for the "classes", not for the other groups.

[youcef zegaar]

you add an activity with all subject teachers

اضافة نشاط مشترك لا يحقق الغاية نحتاج فجوة مشتركة أو نشاط بمثابة فجوة مشتركة مما يضمن جلوس الاساتذة  جربت الطريقة نشاط بلا طلاب ولم تعطي النتيجة المرجوة
Adding a joint activity does not achieve the goal. We need a joint gap or activity as a joint gap that ensures teachers are seated. The method was tried as an activity without students and did not give the desired result.

[YOUSSEF HOUIET]

تريد حصة مشتركة بين عدة أساتذة وتضم عدة طلاب

[youcef zegaar]

The best solution is a restriction that allows for a common gap between a group of teachers

[YOUSSEF HOUIET]

نشط يضم كل الاساتذة والطلاب يفي بالغرض
واذا كان الامر يهم كل طلاب واساتذة المؤسسة يمكن اعتماد التوقف

[Volker Dirr]

hmm... I don't understand your words.
If my suggestion is wrong, then please explain your suggestion with an example.

[Volker Dirr]

Adding a joint activity does not achieve the goal. We need a joint gap or activity as a joint gap that ensures teachers are seated. The method was tried as an activity without students and did not give the desired result.

So my suggestion was correct and you already tried it and it failed?
In that case it wouldn't be better with a "gap". Since a "gap" will fail exactly the same way as an activity. (Except max working hours constraints avoid it, but:)
I think "gap" is also wrong, since you want to let the teacher work at that time. So it is not a "gap", it is in fact working time.

[youcef zegaar]

For example, I have four math teachers and I want to meet with them once a week for coordination
Let's say I create an activity called Coordination, and it's shared between the 4 teachers and there aren't any students
I don't want this activity to start or end any of the four teachers' day to avoid missing out on the coordination because it is an informal activity
Secondly, if the minimum enrollment is two activities per day for the teacher, I do not want coordination to be considered one of those two activities
Therefore, I saw that creating a common gap between the four teachers was the solution

[Volker Dirr]

hmm... ok I see.

The only thing that might be usefull if the teachers have a shared "free" slot where he might choose different activities from. Maybe Monday 5th hour meet of Math and English teachers. So he can choose from. I think that will be useful. That might be a useful constraint. But foring it in between is a hidden increasement of the working time.

If it is not overlapping, then just add an activity with the teachers. Since it is working time.

Don't read the following stuff if you don't like to read critic.

As a teacher i can tell you, that you points sounds "strange".

Point 1: Looks like an answer from a head master that doesn't trust his teachers and/or want to let them work more then it is writting in the working contract. If you fear that, then just let them sign on a paper. I can tell you that forecing it in between hours won't "help" much for those teachers. They will sit in those hours and do some small talk then and in worst case they will do some trash talk about the head master.

Point 2: hmm... Not sure. You don't want to coordinate, but the teachers should work. Let the teachers start trash talking.

Do you see it?

If teachers should work, then just give them an activity.

If you want to force them to work for free, then some will do it of course. But other will trash talk about you. You are sure you want that?

[youcef zegaar]

No...it is for the convenience of teachers to avoid their attendance on a separate day for the coordination that the law imposes on them, and to avoid their attendance on that day and leave it as a rest day for them. We have proposed this proposal to facilitate their meeting

[Volker Dirr]

I know. I am a teacher too.