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#1
Don't mind, I just found out what was the problem - hadn't defined break times in mornings/afternoons mode... It's now working fine.
#2
Hi,

In desperate need of help...

I need to assure that two activities are consecutive - "Desenho" and "Apoio Desenho" must come one after the other, with a gap in between. This is for one class in particular, but there are many other classes that I must guarantee that two activities are consecutive.

When using Official Mode, I can add that constraint and FET gives me timetables without breaking a sweat.

This time, I need to use Mornings/Afternoons mode (most of the times students have classes in the morning and after lunch). When adding that constraint ("Desenho" and "Apoio Desenho" are consecutive), FET is unable to give possible timetables. When I remove the constraint, in some of the timetables FET gives they are consecutive. I suspect that this might be a bug - it is clearly possible that the two are consecutive, but when adding the constraint, FET doesn't give me a solution.

#3
Hi,

I managed to play around a bit, and I believe with your solution I can solve the problem with gaps at the end of the morning schedule. I had this problem with teachers schedule, as well as students schedule, as there is a optional discipline that must be at the end of the morning, and there was no easy way to set it. This is an early study for next school year schedules (only in July I'll be working seriously in the timetables). If I find any shortcomings, I'll get back to you.

Another question (that has nothing to do with the previous): If there is a discipline that has classes 3x per week, and I don't want them in three consecutive days, how should I set them? There is no problem in having Monday, Tuesday and Thursday (two of them in consecutive days), but not on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.

Thank you once again!
#4
In hour 6 gap is not counted; if hour 6 is not occupied, then gap in hour 5 is not counted - this is the idea behind it.

In the meantime, if you think in some kind of workaround that gives the same output, great!

Thank you once again for your patience.
#5
Thank you once again.

One last question - as I mentioned earlier, the only way that the gaps are not counted as such is if they appear in one (or two) of the last classes before lunch, not the others. The standard school schedule is this:


- 8:25-9:10
- 9:10-9:55
----break
- 10:20-11:05
- 11:05-11:50
----break
- 12:05-12:50
- 12:50-13:35

--lunchtime--
- 14:45-15:30
- 15:30-16:15

This mode, MA, may permit that a gap before lunchtime is not treated as such. But it could give me timetables in which a teacher only works from 8:25 to 9:55, and then again in the afternoon, after lunchtime. Effectively, those would be gaps in the timetable - only in the red slots those gaps are not treated as such. Is there a way to guarantee that it wouldn't happen?
 
#6
Hi!

Thank you both for your quick reply!

I've read the help mode of the Mornings Afternoons you suggested, and if I understood it correctly, I should define 10 working days, to separate mornings and afternoons (our classes are from monday to friday). However, at least in my school, mornings and afternoons don't have the same working hours - in the morning there are 6x 45' classes, and in the afternoon there is only 2x 45' classes (or 3x45', in 10th and 11th grade). I believe this is a setback to use MA mode, right, as the "working days" should all have the same classes, right?

Thanks in advance!
#7
Hello,

I'd like do give a suggestion for a future feature, that would come in handy.

In my school, and in most of the cases, teachers have classes before and after lunchtime - as well as the students. If the teacher has a gap before lunchtime, that doesn't count as a gap in his timetable, but as a larger lunch break. This can also apply to the students - they can't have gaps in their timetables in the middle of the morning, but if a gap is before lunchtime, that doesn't count as such.

The lunchtime is from 13:35 till 14:45. There are two immediate classes, from 12:05-12:50 and from 12:50-13:35. If a teacher has no activity from 12:50-13:35, this doesn't count as a gap, but as a larger lunch break.

If this could be implemented in a future version of the software, would come in handy!

Best regards!
#8
Thank you for your quick reply!

I tried your suggestion to set min ocupation in the afternoon to 10 blocks out of 10 available, as well as to set the ocupation in the morning to 100%, only leaving between 12:05 and 13:35 with not 100% occupation. However, I couldn't get FET to solve this problem, as no 100% timetable was presented - could it be because FET "sees" the vacant times as gaps, as they are not allowed?

A workaround was to set the discipline "no class" and to set the condition to only occupy the time between 12:05 and 13:35 - this way I can get timetables, but I have to assign them to fictitional rooms.
#9
Hi,

First of all, many thanks for this software - this is the first time using it (I've been making schedules for a School, were my colleagues are old school and insisted doing it by hand - 3 weeks of my life down the drain every July). I'm hoping to skip this (bad) routine this year, using this software.

I have most of the time constrains figured out, but there are two or three problems that I can't overcome:

In my school, from 5th to 8th grade, the kids must have classes in the afternoon (mandatory), 5 times per week; in the block from 12:05 and the 13:35 (2x 45 minutes) they will necessarily have some free time (a larger lunch break) - some days they end classes at 12:05, some at 12:50, and some at 13:35. But, when I define that the students must not have gaps in their schedule, FET uses all of this blocks, and some days in the afternoon are free. Of course I can manually define what times from monday to friday, from 12:05 to 13:35 should be free, but that adds constraints that can block a "pretty" overall schedule. How can I define this?

For some reason, when I dont specifficaly define a prefered room for a class, it leaves the activity without assigned room. We don't have a room assigned for each class - the older kids use the vacant rooms when their colleagues go to PE, computer rooms, labs, and so. How can FET assing a free room when there is no specific room defined?

Best regards,

Nelson Gomes