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#1
German / Deutsch / Timetabling Vergleich
March 17, 2008, 09:01:18 PM
Moin,
ich unterstütze immer mal wieder eine einzügige private Gesamtschule. Aktuell bin ich am Prüfen, ob man nicht auch die Stundenpläne besser mit Software macht. Als Linux-Nutzer bevorzuge ich natürlich Open-Source. Andererseits macht es auch keinen Sinn Leute mit OpenSource-Software zu vergraulen, die einfach noch nicht mit kommerzieller Software mithalten kann. Daher meine Frage wie sieht es mit FET aus? Ist es wie OpenOffice zu MSOffice oder ist es halt ein kleines Tool was beeindruckend viel kann, aber nicht mit den Großen mithalten kann? Wo unterscheiden sich die Programme überhaupt. Worauf soll man achten?
Irgendwie habe ich auf meiner Suche noch keine richtige Seite gefunden, die einen da an die Hand nimmt.
Ich kann natürlich alle ausprobieren, aber da ich jedesmal alle Daten eingeben muss, fürchte ich, dass das kein effektiver Weg ist.
So jetzt hoffe ich auf Eure Hinweise und Links.

Danke
   Niels
#2
Moin, ich probiere gerade das Programm aus und überlege wie ich die Differenzierung in Grund- und Erweiterungskurs hinbekomme. Dahinter steckt, dass man die Klasse in zwei Leistungsgruppen splittet. Dies macht man für verschiedene Fächer, also Mathe, Deutsch Naturkunde.
Ich habe daher zu der Klasse 5 eine Untergruppe 5G und eine Untergruppe 5E angelegt (Ich denke es lohnt nicht für jedes Fach eine Untergruppe zu machen, auch wenn die Gruppen in der Praxis unterschiedlich sind). Jetzt wollte ich zwei Aktivitäten anlegen zum Beispiel Mathe-5G und Mathe-5E. Ich muss dann noch eine Einschränkung anlegen, dass die Aktivitäten zur gleichen Zeit stattfinden sollen. Das ist soweit ja noch einfach, oder mache ich da schon was falsch?

Nun gibt es aber einen komplizierteren Fall und zwar Naturkunde. Dies fasst die Fäche Biologie (Bio), Physik (Phy) und Chemie (Che) zusammen. Es gibt dann für die 9 Klasse eine Gruppe 9NatE und 9NatG, sprich man ist entweder in allen Naturkundefächern  im Erweiterungskurs oder in keinem. Hinzukommt dass aufgrund der Lehrkraftsituation Biologie in der 9. Klasse von 1 Lehrkraft unterrichtet wird, d.h. sie unterrichtet sowohl den E als auch den G-Kurs.  In der Praxis sieht das dann z.B. so aus.


Mo 1.StdPhy-EChe-G
Di 3.StdChe-EBio-G
Do 4.StdBio-EPhy-G

Die wesentliche Randbedingung ist aber nicht, dass Phy-E und Che-G zeitgleich stattfindet, sondern dass die Gruppen Nat-E und Nat-G zeitgleich unterrichtet werden. Wie macht man das am Besten? Hofft man, dass aufgrund der Regel "Keine Freistunden" sich das von alleine zurechtruckelt?

Wenn jemand damit schon Erfahrungen gemacht hat oder Ideen hat, wäre ich für Hinweise dankbar.

Niels
#3
Suggestions / 2 Rooms for one activity
September 28, 2008, 09:52:01 AM
Hi,
at our school there a some situations where it become useful to define 2 rooms for one activity. This become useful if you split a year in different ways. In such a situation it is often easier to make some analysis at start and look which subgroups are really necessary and which one it is easier to have in mind. So let me give you an example.

At year 9 and 10 we used every possibility to split the years. So we decided to create 1 activity for subject sport  for year 9 and 10 and put 2 teachers to this activity. The splitting into male and female we have in mind (and for every one at the school this is clear). But of course we need 2 rooms where the sport activity could place.
So this is for us a minor issue on the program.
#4
Suggestions / A free day but never on Monday
September 28, 2008, 10:07:29 AM
We have the wish form on teacher, that the only want to work 4 days a week. For her it was unimportant at which day she has a free day, except that the definitely want to work on Monday. Any ideas how to realize this?
#5
Suggestions / Special Weigths for timeslots
September 28, 2008, 10:04:07 AM
We have a lot of teacher which don't work full time. So there are a lot of wishes when the teacher are don't want to work. You can classify them into:
At Monday 1st hour it's impossible for me to work and
At Monday 1st hour I'm really tired, so it would be great if don't has to work there.
Fortunately the first constraint is easy to define, but I'm unable to increase the satisfaction of the teacher-college by defining constraints with 90% that the person shouldn't work on monday morning.
This is for us a major issue and it would be great if you could fixed it.
#6
One criteria which makes a timetable good or bad was that a subject for a year, i.e. math 5. year, should not be always at 1st hour of day. It would be nice if this will become the default behavior of the program to that it not necessary to define to much constraints.
#7
Suggestions / Query-View for Constraints
August 18, 2008, 06:30:22 AM
Hi,
yesterday evening we run in to trouble, because we had defined some constraint which makes the problem unsolvable.
To analyze such a situation it would be extremely helpful, if it become possible to filter all constraints. For example give me all constraints for activity x. This means all which was directly defined to the activity and all which defined for the subject and the teacher. Is it possible to realize this quickly? Otherwise I will start to write an own solution based on the xml-file.
Niels
#8
Hi,
as far as I know  a small change of the constraints will have a completely different result because the start table is randomly set. Today I talked with a friend about this and we had the idea that the behaviour will be more natural if it would be possible to start with a complete timetable.
Let me explain in which situation this would be useful: Let assume that we have a perfect timetable generated by FET and the school starts. After five weeks a teacher has an accident and we get a new teacher. Normally  I would try to make as less changes as possible. With FET I must generate a new timetable which a completly different result.  
I hope you understand the idea behind.
Niels
#9
Suggestions / Possibility to save a solution
April 05, 2008, 05:15:40 PM
It would be great to have the possibility to save a calculated result. So you can calculate the timetable on a powerful server and analyze it on a smaller device. Analyzing means to use he menus Timetable -> View (teachers).  I don't know how complicated this is in C in Java this isn't a problem. If you implement this feature it would be become possible to change the html-report-settings.
At least the user should be able to generate the same timetable twice.

Just a short idea: Perhaps you can implement a webservice to get the result http://ws.apache.org/axis/cpp/index.html (I hope axis make the serialization for you). Than it is easier to save the result with another tool.
#10
Report a Bug / Fet 5.6.0 Assertion failed error
August 19, 2008, 08:36:54 AM
I'm calculating multi solutions and get the attached error. Do you want to get the *.fet-file too?
Niels
#11
Hi,
at our school there are a lot of teachers which work only a few hours a week. Of course it is really nasty to drive for one our to the school. So we  set the constraint, that every teacher should work at least 2 hours a day. Unfortunately we have this year a teacher which only works 1h a week.
As a result of this FET doesn't start to create a timetable. Any suggestions how to fix the problem without defining a constraint for every singular teacher?

Niels