Started by ßingen, June 22, 2009, 11:34:53 PM
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QuoteDo you think that allowing 6 categories would be good? Or do you need 7? Or more? Wouldn't that lead to too many subgroups?
QuoteI agree, Volker, but some users might not want this information displayed.
QuoteQuoteI agree, Volker, but some users might not want this information displayed.What do you think if i didn't display this in new tables.How about the idea to just display that acivities into the "normal" table.And maybe also add a "display simultanious activities" checkbox in the fet settings.
QuoteQuoteDo you think that allowing 6 categories would be good? Or do you need 7? Or more? Wouldn't that lead to too many subgroups?quote from the TODO:>> we have:>>>> 1. category: 3-4 classes>> 2. category: 5 courses>> 3. category: 4 religions (always same time, so i didn't enter it)>> 4. category: several working groups (after noon lesson, so i add them>> manualy)>>>> now have a closer look:>> 4 classes * 5 courses * 4 religion is already 80 subgroubs.>> so if i also add working groups (lets say 5, but there are more!)>> then we have total 400 subgroups.>>>> that is stupid, because i have only around 100 students in a year!>>>> i think in that case it is wise to enetr data not in groups/categories, add>> students>> individual.QuoteDo you think that allowing 6 categories would be good? Or do you need 7? Or more? Wouldn't that lead to too many subgroups?For example German "Gesamtschulen" (special kind of secondary school) need:1. category: "class"2. category: different math courses3. category: different native language courses4. cagegory: different foreign language courses5. category: different "main" courses6. category: different relegion courses7. category: different sport courses.there is such a school in my hometown.they have around 6 items in each category. so there are 6*6*6*6*6*6*6=279936 subgoups.But that is stupid, because there are only around 180 students in a year.so i fear it is a problem and just solveable like i discriped in the TODO file.
Quote[...] I don't know if I have explained it clear enough, but if not I could send a spreadsheet with an example.
QuoteWhat do you mean normal and new tables? I don't understand.
QuoteI'll think about it. I also hate that many categories, but we should also listen to requests from users.
QuoteQuoteLATER EDIT: Just to make sure, how many categories do you need? I counted 7, but I am not sure. Include also A and B as categories.Hi again,for the example of year 2, I've counted 9 categories. There were some details not explained in my original post (because to overview the problem I thought there weren't necessary). Now I attach a spreadsheet (ods) with the details of year 2, and as an example of the kind of display I suggested.Some comments to this spreadsheet: the 2D division (diversity) could be managed as another group, in the same way as OPT group. Also, as I said before, maybe in the display some subactivities (like the OPT group ones) could be joined in one timetable to avoid so many ones.Finally, this number of categories (9) would be needed for the year 2, which is the first I'm considering (because I know it well), but I cannot assure there's no other group with greater needs. I should look at it carefully, but maybe, if the solution is to add categories, would be better to put a greater maximum number to be sure it's enough. ßingen.
QuoteLATER EDIT: Just to make sure, how many categories do you need? I counted 7, but I am not sure. Include also A and B as categories.
QuoteVolker said he is willing to write a new option to write simultaneous activities list, like gp-Untis. This will probably be done in version 5.10.1. I hope to release tomorrow evening version 5.10.0, which has some aesthetic improvements. So 5.10.1 might be released in at least 8 days from now (I don't want to release faster than once at 7 days).
Quotethey have around 6 items in each category. so there are 6*6*6*6*6*6*6=279936 subgoups.But that is stupid, because there are only around 180 students in a year.
QuoteYou are right, the best is individual students approach, but I just told you about a good timetabling program like the above one, which has many categories and divisions.I'll think about it. I also hate that many categories, but we should also listen to requests from users.
Quoteok. but a user should be warned if the numer of subgroups is too high, because:1. it is not the best (need much main memory; so it maybe slowdown FET)2. it is critical, because subgroup html tables will need MUCH disk space
QuoteQuote[...] I don't know if I have explained it clear enough, but if not I could send a spreadsheet with an example.yes, please sent me an example, because i am not 100% sure about your idea.
QuoteSorry, the attachment
QuoteIf you want, I could write you a small program to divide into more categories. Just let me know. I hope that you will be able though to work with FET as it is, to have a confirmation that such situations like your's are solvable.
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QuoteQuoteok. but a user should be warned if the numer of subgroups is too high, because:1. it is not the best (need much main memory; so it maybe slowdown FET)2. it is critical, because subgroup html tables will need MUCH disk spaceI hadn't thought about all this, but you're allright. In fact, even without these considerations, I've always thought that creating a lot of subgroups is no a comfortable way of handling the timetable.
QuoteThe check box option displaying the same day+hour constraints could be a good option, but I think it would be important to be able to join in an activity object the teacher, the room and the group of students (although not necessary the subgroup). If it's impossible now, I suggest it for the future.
QuoteNo, no, please, don't worry! And thank you very much. I think it's better for everyone that you both focus on improving the software in a large view to obtain the best possible FET. In the worst case, I could use gp-Untis this year (my school has a license paid), and the next year use FET (of course I prefer free software, and with the short time I've been using FET in particular I think it's really a very good software).
Quotesorry to chime in and forgive my intrusion.I just wanted to let you know how I solved this problem of diversity groups and optional subjects in my school. Looks like your school is very similar to mine.I used the automatic subdivision and did the following:Year 1r ESO divided into A B C I3 -1 -2this way I get: 1r ESO A for common subjects, 1r ESO A-1 for hores B, 1r ESO A-2 for the other half of hora B, 1r ESO I3 for diversity in catalan, spanich and maths.Then I get 3r ESO-1 (some students from A, some from B and some from C) for optional subjetcs, etcThis has worked for me because I get a general timetable to give to 1r ESO A where it says:first half go to english and second half go to tecno. I3 go to catalan while A is in spanish, B in maths and C in catalan, etc.I don't know if I made myself clear.