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Title: course of 1.5 h
Post by: chalbi on July 07, 2016, 11:44:22 AM
Hello everyone

How to program a course of 1.5 h

Thank you
Title: Re: course of 1.5 h
Post by: Benahmed Abdelkrim on July 07, 2016, 01:18:49 PM
In this case, you can use a half hour(1/2)h like unity of time, instead one hour(1h) usually.
Title: Re: course of 1.5 h
Post by: chalbi on July 07, 2016, 01:39:23 PM
Hello
Exactly ! how to do it please?
Thank you

Title: Re: course of 1.5 h
Post by: Benahmed Abdelkrim on July 07, 2016, 02:02:35 PM
For session of 1 hour you give 2 unity of time, and for session of 1,5 hour you give 3 unity of time.
Title: Re: course of 1.5 h
Post by: chalbi on July 07, 2016, 06:20:37 PM
Hello

Describe me please the list of buttons on what I have to click to give the session of 1 hour 2 unit time, frankly ... I do not know do


cordial greetings
Title: Re: course of 1.5 h
Post by: Vangelis Karafillidis on July 07, 2016, 10:31:11 PM
Quote from: chalbi on July 07, 2016, 06:20:37 PM
Hello

Describe me please the list of buttons on what I have to click to give the session of 1 hour 2 unit time, frankly ... I do not know do


cordial greetings
Is this lesson the only one that shares one hour with another lesson? Or this occurs many times?
Title: Re: course of 1.5 h
Post by: chalbi on July 08, 2016, 05:11:11 AM
Hello
In fact, I need this solution only with the current technology to only 5 classes

Thank you
Title: Re: course of 1.5 h
Post by: Volker Dirr on July 08, 2016, 09:52:37 AM
if it effect only such a low number of activities i suggest to think about this variants:

a) increase 1.5 up to 2. of course that is too much. the trick is to place this activities as last activity (time constraint -> activities -> must end students day). So in the timetable it is 2 hours, but you tell them that they can already go home after 1.5 hours.

b) increase 1.5 up to 2. this time don't care about the slot of the activities. generate the timetable.
now save the timetable with a different name. modify the duration of the activities down to 1 and generate the timetable again.
now you have a timetable with duration 2 and one with duration 1. In average it is (1+2)/2=1.5
now you can decide:
use timetable one every odd week and use the other timetable over even week.
or
use timetable one the first half of the year and use the other timetable the other half of the year
Title: Re: course of 1.5 h
Post by: Vangelis Karafillidis on July 08, 2016, 10:21:34 AM
The "scenario" with the half hours treated (and inserted in FET) as the time unit might result in problems if the breaks at your school are synchronized with the real hours!!! FET might result in timetables with the whole hour lessons occupying for example the 2nd half of the 3rd hour and the 1st half of the 4th hour, being interrupted by a break!!!
SO BE VERY CAREFUL!!!!
Of course if there are no synchronization of the breaks with the whole hours you can insert the Data in FET, by using the half hour as the time unit. Just go to Time -> Activities -> Two activities are consecutive and enter the activities that "share" the same hour.

If this issue (lessons sharing the same hour) appears for just five lessons (i.e. you have just a few activities with half an hour duration) insert all the activities that occupy either 1 hour or the 1st half hour as normal activities (i.e. activities with duration 1 hour). Then go to Data -> Subactivities and edit only the subactivities that occupy just the first half hours. Insert for each one of this activities in the fields "Teachers" and "Year" or "Group", the teacher and the group of the hour that occupies the 2nd half hour. BE CAREFUL!!! This is valid if the 2nd half hour activities are not split in the weekly timetable (i.e. if these activities are taught for just half an hour per week). If they are split for more than one time per week, please inform me about the exact formulation of your Data.
Title: Re: course of 1.5 h
Post by: Volker Dirr on July 08, 2016, 02:26:45 PM
Hi Vangelis Karafillidis,

i guess your suggestions won't work, because it effect other students. but i also bet the students must be observed, but in your variant they are not observed. Also the number of duarion must be 1.5*2=3. So one activity must be 1 and the other 2. That mean 1+2=3. The sum is correct, but it will also mean one students group have got not enough hours, because they might be already be used in an other slot. Also the breaks are problems.
I suggest to use one of my tricks, because they alll doesn't have that problems.
Title: Re: course of 1.5 h
Post by: chalbi on July 08, 2016, 03:59:53 PM
Hello

That's what I did:
each session lasts half an hour ...
for the course of technology that lasts 1.5 hours I have grouped 3 sessions with the {three Activities are grouped } ...

What do you think please?

I think I have to go back to all remaining sessions to give their 2 sessions.... It is correct ?

I have attached a file that contains the database...

cordially

Title: Re: course of 1.5 h
Post by: Liviu Lalescu on July 08, 2016, 04:02:21 PM
I did not read your file, but: you need to add an activity with duration 3. Increase the duration spin box in the activity dialog.

What you did is too complicated and inefficient and not needed.
Title: Re: course of 1.5 h
Post by: chalbi on July 08, 2016, 04:21:23 PM
Hello sir

I'm sorry ... I do not know how to add an activity with duration 3

Cordially
Title: Re: course of 1.5 h
Post by: Volker Dirr on July 08, 2016, 04:31:57 PM
You added already a lot of activities with duration = 2. Now just do it similar. Just write "3" instead of "2".
Title: Re: course of 1.5 h
Post by: chalbi on July 08, 2016, 05:22:47 PM

Thank you very much

I understood...ok...
except this session 3 times is given to two groups separately and consecutive way ...How to do it ?

Cordially
Title: Re: course of 1.5 h
Post by: Volker Dirr on July 08, 2016, 05:39:05 PM
i fear you do a bug if you try to do that! if you do that, then your students are not oberserved in 0.5 hours! is that allowed at your school? your students will have a 0.5 hours gap! is that what you want?
i guess you will answer "no": please read my old mail once again. i explained there 2 variants you can choose.

if you also don't like that, then you need to divide a real hour into "0.5" fet hours. but be warnted, that is a bit complicated. i fear you should start with this "beginner" workaround i suggested. This workaround are used at most schools i know. i know only a very few schools that try to use the "0.5" split up, because it has got some minor disadvantages.
Title: Re: course of 1.5 h
Post by: chalbi on July 08, 2016, 05:50:19 PM
Dear Sir

I sent you a copy of my database ... would you please the best solution used by all schools with one class to the utilser for the remaining 4 classes ... my computer skills are too limited

thank you very much
Title: Re: course of 1.5 h
Post by: Volker Dirr on July 08, 2016, 06:03:01 PM
i didn't got your database yet.
also that problem doesn't have someting to do with computer skills.
it is a problem of planning activities.

i already wrote 2 variants to you.
fist of all you need to choose the prefered variant before i can help more.
Title: Re: course of 1.5 h
Post by: Volker Dirr on July 08, 2016, 06:13:22 PM
the more complicated variant are also descriped here:

http://www.timetabling.de/manual/FET-manual.en.html#id_10

http://lalescu.ro/liviu/fet/forum/index.php?topic=233.msg1155#msg1155

http://lalescu.ro/liviu/fet/forum/index.php?topic=2318.msg12653#msg12653