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Dans certaines villes d'algérie on travaille 4heurs matin 4heures apès midi.je veut que tout les enseignants comments l'après midi à la 1 ière heures ou bien maximum la2ème heures . la version que vous fait monsieur fethije l'ai testé ce que je vous demande est différents. C'est le seule problème que rencontre tout mes collegues qui manipule fet algérie.excusez_ moi monsieur liviu d'avoir trop insister

Pas de probleme, monsieur Said.

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So, are you suggesting "Teacher(s) begin afternoons early max beginnings at second hour?"

I cannot guarantee I will implement it soon, but I will think about it.

elle peut aussi vous faire 4 heures le matin et 3 heures le soire

يا ودي فهمتك واش حبيت تقول
  البرنامج التاعي يخدملك واش راك حاب ثبت برك أدنى الأيام لجميع المدرسين عند 3 و هو يديرلك أدنى حصص 3 صباح و أقصاها 4 و لعشية يديرلك أدناها 3 حصص و أقصاها 4 حصص
و إذا ما قدرتش تخدم به أبعثلي قاعدة البيانات و أنا ندبر راسي

Merci m liviu pour l'intérêt que vous portez pour notre problème. Concernant la condition que vous avez proposé :oui ,elle sera la solution idéale. Parce que le creux est toléré la matiné mais pas la l'après midi.ici   vous avez l'une des base de sur laquelle je travaille où j'ai j'ai essayé de regler ce problème sans succès. Dans ce cas on commence l'après midi 14:00 heure. L'objectif n'est pas de vous mettre la pression vous pouvez prendre tout votre temps pour nous trouver une solution. Que Dieu vous protège et c'est toute l'équipe avec laquelle je travaille qui vous salue

المشكل راه في أوقات غير متاحة للأساتذة بزاف كثرت

Merci monsieur Said 213 pour les beaux paroles. Mes salutations a votre equipe.

Please tell me, did you see there is a constraint teacher(s) max gaps per real day? Maybe this can help.

If not, I will think of your request and maybe make it possible (teacher(s) begin afternoons early max beginnings at second hour).

Peux être cette solution va diminué le problème.la contrainte des creux: fet prend en considération la demi journée et non pas la journée complète et en plus la durée du creux qui est trop langue 5 ou6 heures c'est beaucoup. Surtout pour les emseignantes qui habitent loin dans les régions montagnards. je ponse que les enseignant tôt l'après midi max 2 eme heure sera la meilleure. L'objectif les que les enseignants commencent tôt l'après midi

عليك بجعلها عند 1 فجوة فاليوم و لا 2 فجوة فاليوم و تقدر حتى تنقصها 0 فجوة فاليوم ذوك واش راك حاب بالتحديد ما فهمناش

ياسي فتحي رني نحب لعشية ما يكونش عند استاذ يبدي الخدمة لعيةعلي. 3نتاع لعشيةنحوس يبدو اوكل علي 1الوحدة ولا2 نتاع اعشية.علبلي واش رني نطلب من ليفيو راه فاهم وار

و عادي إذا خرج على 10 و يدخل على 13 و لا على 14 المهم أنا قصدي نعاونك و انت راك تتكبر علينا على كل حال إنشاء الله يقدر يعاونك باش تفرح ايا مع السلامة و بالتوفيق

Merci m fethi la question est distiné à monsieur liviu .vous n'avez pas compris le problème je ne suis pas arrogant je sait pertinament ce que je de monsieur liviu. Merci

hello everybody
teacher max gaps per real day works perfectly in this case the user needs to make it at 0
if he makes it at 1 he may get a timetable ( the teacher works till the end of the morning but he starts the evening in the second hour)

i think here we need to add constraints:
1* teacher(s) must start early ( mornings alone and afternoons alone)
2*max gaps per day (mornings alone and afternoons alone) here because as he said gaps in the afternoons are not tolerated.

thanks mr LIVIU

m bachiri j'ai testé ça fonctionne bien

No, bachiri401 and fethi1988, Said 213 wants something else. Teachers begin afternoons early.

I have thought about it, Said 213, it seems difficult. I will think some more.

Bon soir m bachiri j'ai beaucoup d'astuce mais sans résultats vous pouvez essayer le fichier que j'ai envoyé. Ce problème existe parc que dans certaines wilayas onune matière en plus (tamazight) .le problème ce pose lorsque on travaille 4 h le matin et4h le soir

 Exacte .merci liviu c'est ce que je Chechen

dans ce cas les contraintes que j'ai proposé va réglée le problème
1- max des heures le soire pour enseignant
et
2- min des heures le soire pour enseignant
veut dire la condition va s'appliquer juste pour les jours paires (day2, day4, day6,.....)

Non, fethi, because the teacher is allowed to have 4 working hours in the afternoon but not 2 free and then 2 working hours in the afternoon.

ah oui c'est vrai Je n'ai pas pensé à ça
vous avez raison monsieur liviu

Thank you, Benahmed, for the detailed answer.

1) Said 213: I saw you added teachers max 1 gaps per week. If you want in each morning or afternoon no gaps for teachers, this should be 0, not 1.

2) Benahmed: I understood that Said allows hours for teachers 2 first hours in the morning and 2 first hours in the afternoon, but not 2 last hours in the morning and 2 last hours in the afternoon (even if the gaps per real day is 2 in both cases). Said 213: Is this what you really intend?

3) I thought today about adding teacher(s) begin afternoons early max N beginnings at the second hour. It is difficult, but I think it is possible. If Mr. Said 213 confirms this is what he needs, I am willing to try. But please Mr. Said, be sure this is what you want, because it involves a lot of work and thinking. This constraint, for instance, with N=0, makes each teacher if he has activities in an afternoon, he will begin in that afternoon at the first hour. With N=2, he can have 2 afternoons in which he can begin at the second hour.

4) Said 213: Maybe you can give us a picture (even hand-drawn and scanned on the computer) to show the problem, it would be best, so I am sure I understand correctly.

Merci pour m ben ahmed pour ces éclaircissement.  M liviu l'année passée lorsque j'ai remet les emplois du temps aux enseignants. Ils ont refusé de commencer à 3ème heure.c
Sachant qu'on travaille 4 heures l'après midi. J'ai refait l'emploi du temps manuellement pour éviter cette ce début de la 3 ème heure. M liviu vous prennez votre temps pour reflichir à ce problème. Je pense la question est claire.

OK, je vais essayer le jours prochaines. On est difficile, mais j'espere success.

I hope I got the generation code well done, and this was the most difficult part. Now I need to add the new constraint in the other engine files and in the interface. I hope it will work, and I hope I will have the finished program soon.

Maybe you could prepare some test files, with everything in place without the new constraint, which I will add it on my computer when ready.

I will make it, at least for now, as a custom version Algeria41-Said213. I am afraid to add it to the Algeria until heavy use by other users and I am not sure other users will use the new constraint.

well done sir
the new constranit will teacher(s) start early in the afternnons ?

Teacher(s) begin afternoons early max (n=specified) beginnings at second hour.

If n=0, all teachers begin afternoons at first hour. If n=2, in 2 days teachers can begin the afternoons at the second hour, and in the rest at the first hour.

Max n is n_afternoons_per_week.

great
i wiil be very happy to test it

Merci m liviu . je pense que c'est tout le monde qui va l'utiliser bien evidemment les etablissements qui travaillent 4 heures l'après midi

je pense c'est bonne idée mai je ne peut pas l'adaptée a ma version

Good news, it seems working OK. I tried on a test file and it solves in combination with other constraints as needed. I modified manually the .fet XML input file.

Now I need to add it in the interface. It is easy, but tedious and might take some time.

The difficult part is done. I will announce you when ready for download and testing practically (by you).

Thanks . We are waiting to enjoy testing. Then will be the turn of the other constraints max and min hours mornings and afternoons :)

:)

merci monsieur liviu c'est gentil de ta part

I made it. https://lalescu.ro/liviu/fet/download/custom/algeria41-said213/

Please let me know.

GREAT NEWS
THANKS MR LIVIU
TESTING IS UNDER WAY
BUT PLEASE MR VOLKEER THE 32 BIT VERSION IS REQUIRED SO THAT MANY PEOPLE CAN TEST

I'll ask Volker.

merci monsieur liviu c'est vraiment gentil
c'est un bon travail
tu mérite tt le bonheur

 merci monsieur livui j'ai testée pour moi  fonctionne parfaitement bien
vraiment vous êtes le meilleur

Allah akbar. Allah akbar. Je n'ai pas cru mes yeux.oui elle fonctionne très bien .merci m liviu.que Dieu vous protège.  Je l'ai testé avec la valeur 1 et ensuite 0 et dans les 2cas.elle produits de très bons emplois du temps et rapidement. Ici c'est l'allerte plusieurs censeurs qui attendent cette nouvelle. Je l'ai testé sur une base où ils ont3 heures la soirée .elle dans ce cas :elle utile juste pour certains enseignants.merci et merci m liviu.

Je suis satisfait qu'il marche! Avec plaisir!  :)

https://www.timetabling.de/download/custom/said213/32bit/

thank you sir
you are never late

Congratulations🙂
So it is better to generalize this constraint in the Moroccan version and the Algerian version.
I am ready for translation. If you wishes.🙂

Thank you, Benahmed!

I will be waiting to see if the new constraint teacher(s) begin afternoons early max beginnings at second hour is useful for Algeria and Morocco version, and I can add them if needed. After some testing by the users and their request to add it to Algeria and Morocco.

For the translation, thank you! I will ask you if needed.

Ok!🙂

In fact, Benahmed, I ask you now if you could translate FET-5.27.3-Algeria41-Said213 and I will put a new version with your translation.

Quote from: Liviu Lalescu on August 19, 2019, 03:20:27 PM
In fact, Benahmed, I ask you now if you could translate FET-5.27.3-Algeria41-Said213 and I will put a new version with your translation.

Well, I'll do it when I go home in the evening. I'm now out 🙂

Thank you!  :)

You're welcome 🙂

je peut traduire les contraintes
1- for all tachers:
كل المدرسون يبدؤن باكراً في الفترة المسائية (أقصى البدايات الحصة الثانية)   <------------ (all teachers begins afternoons early (max beginnings at second hour
2- for a teacher:
مدرس يبدأ باكراً في الفترة المسائية ( أقصى البدايات الحصة الثانية)   <---------------(a teachers begins afternoons early (max beginnings at second hour

Thank you, Mr. fethi, but Benahmed is the designated Arabic translator, and also there are more fields to translate.

ok, :)

Translation is done.

Thank you, dear Benahmed!

I added Benahmed's Arabic translation in a new version. The same download link: https://lalescu.ro/liviu/fet/download/custom/algeria41-said213/

FET-Algeria41-said213-32bit
Pouvez-vous rendre ce programme fiable sur Win32?

The new 32bit version is again here:
https://www.timetabling.de/download/custom/said213/32bit/

Thanks and a thousand thanks      Merci et mille mercis      Volker Dirr + Liviu Lalescu +  Benahmed Abdelkrim

ace que si possible, d'ajouter cette constrainte a la version du maroc c'est trés util pour moi et merci

Quote from: Mansouri Kamel on August 20, 2019, 07:00:15 PM
ace que si possible, d'ajouter cette constrainte a la version du maroc c'est trés util pour moi et merci

OK, by popular request, I will try to update the public official Algeria and Morocco with these facilities:

1) fethi_dz: Min hours daily with user selectable +1 (check box) for mornings.

2) Said 213: Constraint teacher(s) begin afternoons early max beginnings at second hour.

3) ZINEDDINE18: For FET Morocco, allow teachers with 3 days exceptions.

It will take a while, I am not sure how long.

Please tell me, Mr. Mansouri Kamel, did you try this feature you ask, in FET-Algeria-Said213, and it works OK for you?

No i did not try this for the version of algeria i always use the marocain version for algeria school

Quote from: Liviu Lalescu on August 20, 2019, 07:17:36 PM

Quote from: Mansouri Kamel on August 20, 2019, 07:00:15 PM
ace que si possible, d'ajouter cette constrainte a la version du maroc c'est trés util pour moi et merci

OK, by popular request, I will try to update the public official Algeria and Morocco with these facilities:

1) fethi_dz: Min hours daily with user selectable +1 (check box) for mornings.

2) Said 213: Constraint teacher(s) begin afternoons early max beginnings at second hour.

3) ZINEDDINE18: For FET Morocco, allow teachers with 3 days exceptions.

It will take a while, I am not sure how long.

Please tell me, Mr. Mansouri Kamel, did you try this feature you ask, in FET-Algeria-Said213, and it works OK for you?

yes its works perfectly for algerian version                 

Could you please try this feature? Just open your Morocco file using FET-Algeria-Said213, it will forget about the teachers' exceptions (so please do not save the file, or save with another name). You can add the Said213 constraint early afternoons, generate, and see how it might look (some teachers will work more full-days, but this is only a test).

Please do this test soon and let me know, so that I can begin working.

Quote from: Liviu Lalescu on August 20, 2019, 07:28:01 PM
Could you please try this feature? Just open your Morocco file using FET-Algeria-Said213, it will forget about the teachers' exceptions (so please do not save the file, or save with another name). You can add the Said213 constraint early afternoons, generate, and see how it might look (some teachers will work more full-days, but this is only a test).

Please do this test soon and let me know, so that I can begin working.

its works perfectly with algerian version it produce a nice time table for teachers

OK, thank you for the test!

‌Iam waiting to try this with the marocain version it will more perfect than the algerian one

Quote from: Liviu Lalescu on August 20, 2019, 07:35:29 PM
OK, thank you for the test!

thank you very much you are a gentil man

I will try to make it soon.

Quote from: Mansouri Kamel on August 20, 2019, 07:38:48 PM

Quote from: Liviu Lalescu on August 20, 2019, 07:35:29 PM
OK, thank you for the test!

thank you very much you are a gentil man

:)

Thanks

Said 213, I added your feature to Algeria42 (as a test for now). Please see https://lalescu.ro/liviu/fet/forum/index.php?topic=485.msg22839#msg22839

Please test and report it is OK.

fet-5.27.3-algeria42-snapshot-21-aug-2019-13_17.exe  32bit
-vous rendre ce programme fiable sur Win32?

I asked Volker, he did not answer yet. He is unfortunately quite busy. I will tell him to write here if he can.

houdababa, would you like to learn to compile for 32-bit from sources? It is not that difficult on Windows.

yes
thank you very much

Get algeria42-snapshot.tar.bz2, click once on it with 7-zip, unpack to .tar (a single file). Then I use Total Commander, press Enter on .tar, copy the contents in the other tab. So unpack the sources (you cannot unpack directly with 7-zip, there is a bug). Or you can unpack the tar.bz2 with a correct method.

Read the file README with a text viewer. See how to compile on Windows. Get Qt from qt.io, install tools/MinGW 32 bit and Qt-for-MinGW 32-bit. Enter fet-algeria42 with Qt command-prompt, type qmake, then mingw32-make or mingw32-make -j 2 if you have dual core or -j 4 (quad core) or more. Wait some time until finish, then copy the dll's from Qt\bin\ similarly with how I do (watch my Windows exe FET archive). The exact same directories and files with dll's, search them. Or use windeployqt.exe on fet.exe (it will add more files).

Je n'ai pas réussi l'opération
S'il vous plaît faire l'opération Volker Dirr
Merci d'avance

Volker did it, please see https://lalescu.ro/liviu/fet/forum/index.php?topic=485.msg22853#msg22853

Salut M Liviu j'espere que t'a pas oublier ma demande d, ajouter la constrainte de deux chere collegues Said123 et de Azeddine al version de maroc c'est trés util pour moi et merci beaucoup

Working on it  :)

By Azeddine - do you mean ZINEDDINE18 with 3 days exception?

Quote from: Liviu Lalescu on August 21, 2019, 03:30:53 PM
Working on it  :)

By Azeddine - do you mean ZINEDDINE18 with 3 days exception? Yes if it is possible

Yes, it is possible, I'll do it soon.

I have make a mistake Said 213 no 123😋

:)

I did it, please see https://lalescu.ro/liviu/fet/forum/index.php?topic=487.msg22864#msg22864

Pourez vous rendre fet 42algeria et fet 42maroc fiable sur w32bit jai mal a ouvrir le fichier fet pour le tester

OK, I will compile and put the final versions of Algeria42 and Morocco42 and ask Volker when he can to compile for 32 bit.

Thank you

Unfortunately, it might take more time (maybe 1-2 days), because the Arabic translator Benahmed Abdelkrim needs to check the translation.

Quote from: Liviu Lalescu on August 22, 2019, 11:31:59 AM
Unfortunately, it might take more time (maybe 1-2 days), because the Arabic translator Benahmed Abdelkrim needs to check the translation.

Thank you!

Quote from: Benahmed Abdelkrim on August 22, 2019, 11:43:48 AM

Quote from: Liviu Lalescu on August 22, 2019, 11:31:59 AM
Unfortunately, it might take more time (maybe 1-2 days), because the Arabic translator Benahmed Abdelkrim needs to check the translation.

Thank you!

merci beacoup M Liviu et a M Benahmed pour le grand travail c'est vraiment espectaculaire

I just released Algeria42 and Morocco42. I will ask Volker when he can to put 32-bit.

Volker just released the 32-bit versions of Algeria and Morocco: https://timetabling.de/download/32bit/

Thank you very much

Thank you very much

You are welcome!  :)

bon soir m liviu ,je vous remercie pour les modifications que vous avez effectués sur fet Algérie et marocain,ça fonctionne très bien on a terminé nos emplois du temps. le lundi prochain c'est la reprise des enseignants,vous avez les salutations chaleureuses de toute l'équipe avec laquelle je travaille. je vous propose d'ajouter dans l'interface du logiciel une icone  qui va monter le numéro des conditions qui sont contradictoires lorsque le logiciel se bloque  sur une activité donnée cela pour faciliter  la correction et ne pas perdre le temps à cherche le problème. merci