Timetable view dialogs

[Liviu Lalescu]

I released another snapshot, I made the order for the detailed description of
an activity be:

Activity:
Id=...
Activity group id=...
Active...
Duration
Total duration
Teacher
Subject
Activity tag
Students
Number of students

Because Volker told me that he needs only the id in the timetable view forms.

Could you get the latest snapshot?

But I saw this: in the timetable view rooms, the teachers and subject and act.
tags and students are lower in the details. Maybe someone needs these details
higher in the timetable view rooms? Maybe someone wants the same order for
detailed activity as before (teachers first)?

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Another question: Maybe should I add the students and teacher(s) in the timetable view for rooms, inside the table? And maybe add the teacher(s) in the students
timetable, inside the table? In what order do you suggest?

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Another question:

Also, do you think in the timetable view I may abbreviate the fields for
(permanently) locked time and space? Something like PLTim and PLSp and LTim
and LSp? Is that good?

[Chafik Graiguer]

Hello Liviu

Maybe someone wants the same order for
detailed activity as before (teachers first)?

It deosnot make a big difference
At view timetable window, I usualy look at usefull informations inside cells (Teacher + students)
So

Another question: Maybe should I add the students and teacher(s) in the timetable view for rooms, inside the table? And maybe add the teacher(s) in the students
timetable, inside the table? In what order do you suggest?

I would like to answer: YES to both questions
for students timetables: Subject, then teacher then room
Frot teachers: Subject, then Students then room
For rooms: Subjet, then teacher, then students

Also, do you think in the timetable view I may abbreviate the fields for
(permanently) locked time and space? Something like PLTim and PLSp and LTim
and LSp? Is that good?

It is laways good to use abreviation !!
We will need some time to learn it, but after, it will be handy

[Volker Dirr]

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for students timetables: Subject, then teacher then room
Frot teachers: Subject, then Students then room
For rooms: Subjet, then teacher, then students

Can you please tell me why you prefer that?

I know Liviu asked for the timtable view in FET, not the html version.
i will explain my current idea, maybe you thought similar?

So audience of the timetable view in FET are not the teachers or students. The audience is just the timetablemaker.

In my opinion there are 2 solutions:
a) order it like the html tables, because the timetablemaker can think like a teacher or student and don't need to "learn" a new order.
b) order it always the same, so the timetablemaker has always the same view, so he can maybe compare better? (but why? can someone tell me an example?)
i saw you suggested version b). of course there is a problem, 1 item is always different. so you want subject first, room last and the mid item always change. i am not 100% sure if that is realy an advantage.


i decided different for the html tables, because the audience is different (not the timetablemaker.)
we have a few teachers, that teach only one subject. most teacher teach only 2 subjects. so the subject in the teachers table is in several cases totaly unneeded for the teacher, because he know what to teacher if he knows the students set (because subject is clear with that information), but he don't know if he only now the subject (beacuse students set is not clear).

similar to students. they need to know subject, because it is clear what he need to prepare in that case. but if he know only the teacher, it is maybe unclear what to prepare, because the student might have 2 subjects at the same teacher.

similar to room. subject for the room is nearly unneeded, of course we have physics in the physics room, chemestry in the chemestry room, sport in the gym, ...
second most importend to room is difficult to say, because it depend on your problem. for example if i just want to go one time into the physics room and check if it is locked, then it might be good to know:
a) ...the group first, because if i see the group, then i also know the content of the subject and i know if it is maybe possible to sawp or not.
b) ...the teacher, because by that i know who i must ask if i want to swap.

[Liviu Lalescu]

Hello Liviu

Maybe someone wants the same order for
detailed activity as before (teachers first)?

It deosnot make a big difference
At view timetable window, I usualy look at usefull informations inside cells (Teacher + students)
So

Another question: Maybe should I add the students and teacher(s) in the timetable view for rooms, inside the table? And maybe add the teacher(s) in the students
timetable, inside the table? In what order do you suggest?

I would like to answer: YES to both questions
for students timetables: Subject, then teacher then room
Frot teachers: Subject, then Students then room
For rooms: Subjet, then teacher, then students

Also, do you think in the timetable view I may abbreviate the fields for
(permanently) locked time and space? Something like PLTim and PLSp and LTim
and LSp? Is that good?

It is laways good to use abreviation !!
We will need some time to learn it, but after, it will be handy

OK, I did that (added subject, act. tag, teachers, students, rooms in timetables). I also made a nice change, the table is resized automatically. Please let me know your opinion (a new snapshot is available, see forum global announce if you lost the usual link). No abbreviations for lock/perm. lock, because it decreases readability.

[Chafik Graiguer]

Hi Liviu
I downloaded 28oct snapshot
God job ! congrats
Auto resizable cell is a good feature
However

No abbreviations for lock/perm. lock, because it decreases readability.

I would prefer to use abbreviation because now it occupy unecessary space inside the cell
the word "permanently locked time, permanently locked space" is too long
I think you first idea was much better with PLT for time and PLS for space

Can you please tell me why you prefer that?

Well it is  a matter of tast

similar to room. subject for the room is nearly unneeded, of course we have physics in the physics room, chemestry in the chemestry room,

Yes
But in my case, we use the physic Lab to teach frensh also to to the limeted room resources !!
So it is good to know the subject, maybe another subject has a priority to occupy this room rather the actual subject

[Liviu Lalescu]

I would prefer to use abbreviation because now it occupy unecessary space inside the cell
the word "permanently locked time, permanently locked space" is too long
I think you first idea was much better with PLT for time and PLS for space

The strings for (permanently) locked must be very clearly visible. PLT, PLS, LT, LS may blend with other data and they are not clearly visible.

I'll think some more.

[Liviu Lalescu]

I would prefer to use abbreviation because now it occupy unecessary space inside the cell
the word "permanently locked time, permanently locked space" is too long
I think you first idea was much better with PLT for time and PLS for space

OK, by popular request, I made the abbreviations, please get latest snapshot and tell me if it is nice.

[Chafik Graiguer]

Thanks
Now, cells are not over sized !!
It looks clean and well aligned