App for Android (smartphone and tablet)

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abete2

I made an app for Android (smartphones and tablets) that displays in various ways a timetable. It is able to interpret the timetable created with EDT (Index-Education), with OrarioFacile (Mathema Software) and - not least ! - FET (Liviu Lalescu).
See https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=alpvir.orario
Regarding timetables created with FET currently they must not be very complex to be properly interpreted from the app.
If you have the possibility to send me (ugo.bottari at gmail.com) some timetable either in CSV format in the PDF format (for the necessary comparisons) I will be happy to increase compatibility with the timetables created with FET. Any time, also not present.
Although currently the app is entirely in Italian language I would be happy to have your opinion in view of a possible realization of a version with translation into other languages.
I apologize for my bad English, which is not my native language. I used the Google translator that is not perfect.

Volker Dirr

Hi, looks nice, but why not simply open the tables with a webbrowser?

Please open FET. There are a lot of sample files included. Just generate a sample file and check if you can import it. Don't forget to check also with Arabic examples: The table must be RTL and Arabic characters must be correct.

abete2

#2
Thanks for the comment.
I do not think that they are well clear of app characteristics that are far superior to those of a simple static opening with a web browser of a table. In addition, the app allows you to read various formats timetable. Guilty of language difficulties, surely
With  a simple tap you switch from viewing the CLASSES to viewing the TEACHERS or displaying of the availability/replacements of teachers.
You can send an email with the timetable, pronounce it, use WhatsApp, etc. etc.
If you have the ability and we understand something of the Italian language and technical terms regarding this matter should be subjected to try this app to realize what it really is.
I have used for my tests a CSV file that I found in a FET installation folder but I have the absolute certainty that the importation has been valid to 100%.
I used C:\Programmi\fet-5.30.1\examples\Italy\2010\Liceo-2010.csv

Volker Dirr

you can generate as many examples as you want.
just open an exmaple from the example folder.
then generate it (FET -> Timetable -> Generate new)
and then export it as csv (FET -> File -> Export -> CSV)

sending that data by whatsApp or other stuff might be critical. please read the data law of your county. for example in Germany it is not allowed to sent the whole real timetable data over a server you don't have full control. (it is ok to do that with pseudo/example timetables)

abete2

I learn with astonishment that it would be forbidden to send a timetable with WhatsApp or by another method.
If I want to talk to a friend my weekly schedule to program with, for example, a trip to the mountains, I can not do it ?
If you are a teacher and would like to a parent my working week so that he choose the most suitable time to him to pick me speak I can not do it?
It seems impossible !!!
How do I communicate with my friend or parent. With drums or Morse code ?
Thanks anyway for the info related to the import and export functions of FET.

Volker Dirr

#5
You are sadly totally wrong :-)

a) of course your are allowed to publish YOUR timetable. But you are not allowed to publish OTHER timetables. So i can publish my timetable, but i am not allowed to publish the timetable of the other teachers of my school. that is data privacy and that law is very good and highly needed!
b) if parents want to talk with me, they don't need to know my timetable! Why? they can't see what i do in the "free" time. that is not written in the table. if they want to tak to me, that is very easy: they just call or write me or the secretariat and then they will get the perfect time for such a talk.

so it is not impossible, variant b) is the only possible solution! your suggestion is impossible. why? what will you do if 10 parents have got the same idea and come to the same time. so you want to talk with all of them at once? impossible!
i suggest to read more about data privacy in your country because i think there are similar laws in your country.

And what will you do if there is a meeting or if your boss suddenly told you to do supervision. do you want to sent the parents home again? so you see: parents don't need to know "my" timetable.

Also there is some "privacy" data indirectly in a timetable.
for example at my school type teachers must normally teach 28 hours per week. But some teachers with handicap need to teach a bit less. So if you publish an other teachers timetable you will know that that teachers might be "ill"/have got an handicap. No parents nor pupils need to know that. why do you want to denunciate those teachers by publishing their timetables?

abete2

#6
Start this post as your
"You are sadly totally wrong"

Some clarifications :
In Italy most of the schools is "public" (pubbliche); a small part is "private" (private).
Teachers who teach in public schools are public employees (dipendenti pubblici), as opposed to those who teach in private schools.
Public employees, as such, have accepted a degree of decrease of their privacy. They are serving the public, the community that pays them.
Of course, here we speak only of public schools.

In Italy it is a profound difference between sensitive data (in Italian "dati sensibili") and data "non-sensitive".
They are sensitive: sexual preference, race, religion, state of health.
It seems difficult to argue that a single schema hours of a class or a teacher contains sensitive data.
You can make a comparison: In your thesis you may photocopy the entire Divine Comedy by Dante Alighieri without violating copyrights because died more than 70 years. But it is not permitted to photocopy the only "Canto V"  of "Inferno"  with "Paolo e Francesca" ! Absurd!

In Italian schools publish schedules patterns of individual teachers and individual classes in paper form in the atria and in the corridors of the schools; sometimes even in positions accessible even to those who do not enter the school building. Almost all of the public schools the same times diagrams electronically on their sites and these sites are accessible to all and sundry.
The formats of these publications are the most varied: sometimes it's a whole big board and sometimes a single page with individual classes and/or single teachers.
It is therefore difficult to argue that it is forbidden to send by email a single schema hours of a single class or an individual teacher but, as mentioned, the set of all schedules schemes are absolutely public.

I did a quick survey and found one case (Italian of course) that can be compared to the one discussed here. Needless to say that validates my thesis.
Here is the link :
http://www.diodati.org/forum/messaggi.asp?f=3&t=5207

One of my former student plays an important role in the Ministry of Education. I will ask as soon as possible its opinion on the offers.
It may be that in Germany the legal situation is different; I do not know.
With a touch of pride end by saying that Italy is considered the homeland of law (in italian "patria del diritto"). But also of "azzeccagarbugli" (not sure if the Google translator makes sense of the word "azzeccagarbugli", perhaps you could say "pettifogger, pettifogging lawyer").

N.B.
1) the app is completely free and there is no form of donation request
2) there is no advertising
3) is a service that is offered free of charge to schools, to facilitate the use of individual zones patterns of classes and the individual school teachers
4) schools who use this service should not have to pay anything nor register somewhere;
5) I do not even know which schools use this service; they do them (if they wish) independently.

With this I conclude this discussion, at least on my part.

Volker Dirr

i hope you will still tell use the answer of your Ministry of Education. (but in fact in Germany it isn't the Ministry of Education that disallow it. It is already disallowed by common employment law.)

Volker Dirr

Quote from: abete2 on August 06, 2016, 12:42:36 AM
They are sensitive: sexual preference, race, religion, state of health.
It seems difficult to argue that a single schema hours of a class or a teacher contains sensitive data.

like i already said: that is easy to see: if you have a full time job and you are working 28 hours working, then you are healthy.
if you have a full time job, but you are less then 28 hours working, then you are not healthy. So you need to work a few hours less because of a handicap.