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Καλησπέρα mchourdakis,
Θα χαρώ πολύ να βοηθήσω για Γενικό Λύκειο. Έχω βγάλει πρόγραμμα και για γυμνάσιο και για επάλ, αλλά πάει καιρός. Αν χρειαστεί, ίσως μπορώ να βοηθήσω λίγο και για αυτά.
Αν θες, μπορούμε να μιλήσουμε, για πιο αποδοτική επικοινωνία.
Δεν έχω προλάβει ακόμα να δω το PlanXY, θα προσπαθήσω σήμερα.

Thank you Vangelis,
I will try to get more familiar with the automated approach.

Thanks! I will try it.

Hello Vangelis,
In my current positiion, I make new timetable in a weekly basis. This was also almost the case in previous years. So, I usually change the timetable completely. Thus, I haven't spend much time with locking/unlocking capabilities of fet. I've tried them a bit, but probably haven't mastered them :-).
I'm mostly interested in manual minor adjustments, like the ones you described in the second type (I would add the small changes needed after the generation of the timetable, to manage some requirements that could not be achieved automatically, like increasing the gaps of a teacher). For these, i find "drag and drop" method much faster than locking and regenerating (of course it could be due to my poor fet skills).

Christos

A suggestion I've made could solve your problem. If there was a constraint "Min gaps per day" you could just set min gaps per day to 1, max gaps per day to 2 and max gaps per week to 6.
Liviu says it's difficult to impliment. I hope he will be able to do it :-)

Καλημέρα δίνω σύνδεσμο προς εικόνες από τα τμήματα που είχα δημιουργήσει παλαιότερα για την κατάσταση που περιγράφετε. Αν κατάλαβα καλά είναι διαφορετικά από αυτά που περιγράφετε. Δεν θα δείτε όλα τα υποτμήματα, αλλά νομίζω είναι αρκετά για να καταλάβετε.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/djvjyupn15ia1s8omgoeo/AJDd--R2U7vHzhp-fZO3nIk?rlkey=tvuar29vn4mepxtceto8k1qnm&st=t3ohpdut&dl=0

Καλημέρα Χαρίλαε,
Μπορείς να πας στην καρτέλα "Time" και από τους περιορισμούς των "Activities", να επιλέξεις "A set of activities occupies max time slots from selection". Εκεί θα φιλτράρεις και θα επιλέξεις όλες τις δραστηριότητες των τμημάτων που θες, θα αλλάξεις καρτέλα (πας στο "Time slots") και στο πινακάκη θα επιλέξεις όλες τις 7ες ώρες. Τέλος θα επιλέξεις "3" στο πεδίο "max occupied".

Χρήστος

Hi Liviu,
Can you explain what does "sponsorship contract" mean?

Ok, i hadn't seen that. Thanks.

Ναι, το κατάλαβα. Θα ήταν πιο γρήγορο αν αυτοματοποιούνταν η διαδικασία, αν τα δυο προγράμματα "επικοινωνούσαν", αυτό εννοώ. Αν μέσα από το ένα μπορούσε ο χρήστης του fet να ανοίξει το FET - edit+print μέσα από το fet, ήδη φορτωμένο με το ωρολόγιό του, και στη συνέχεια, οι χειροκίνητες αλλαγές να αποθηκεύονταν αυτόματα στο αρχικό πρόγραμμα του fet.

Yes, I understand how it works. What i meant is that it would be faster if the procedure could be more automated, if the two programs could "comunicate". If fet user could open FET - edit+print from within FET, already loaded with his current timetable and after that, the manual changes were automatically saved in fet

Thanks George! I've used it a bit, just to try it. I think it could be a game changer, at least for me (who also have to face greek schools' needs). It eliminates the biggest disadvantage of fet.

I was wandering, could it somehow be merged in fet? There could be a button like "Make manual changes to your timetable" which opens the html page loaded with the current fet timetable and when the changes are saved, fet's timetable adopts the changes. I don't know much about programming. Is this thought far from realistic?

Correct. Or maybe they are simple but restrictive. I tried setting each teachers min hours per day to some value, according to his/her total hours per week and then set max consecutive teaching hours to that value minus 1. However, generating became much more difficult (somethin like from 1sec to 5 hours!)

I thought i found a workaround, but actually I did not.
If someone could add a new tag (let's call it "Empty"), make a new dummy activity under the "Empty" tag for each teacher (with as many hours as the min gaps he/she should have per week) and force this activity not to be first nor last in the teachers day, it would do the job. "A set of activities begins teacher's day" seemed a promissing constraint, as i would gather all "real" activities under one tag (let's say "Lesson") and then force Lesson activities to begin teachers day (and after that also end teachers day). However this doesn't work this way (as Youssef explained).

Thanks! Yes, i just found it. Guess i haven't got familiar enough with activities' constaints...

Ok, now it's better than my solution with two activities. I'm not sure i understand how A6 is not constrained, but i will look into it (it probably has to do with the min 1 constraint, which i do not know)