Teaching team

[Chafik Graiguer]

Deos FET support teaching team ?
I mean two things:
1- having 2 teachers teaching the same (devided) group in two separated rooms
I know we can add a dummy activity to have FET book a seconf room.
But It would be more convienent if FET can book 2 rooms if activity has two teaches ( maybe a  check box to book a second room in the activity add dialog)
The following is a quote from FET contextual help

If you have say students set 9a, which is split into 2 parts: English (teacher TE) and French (teacher TF), and language activities must be simultaneous, then you might not want to divide according to this category, but add more larger activities, with students set 9a and teachers TE+TF. The only drawback is that each activity can take place only in one room in FET, so you might need to find a way to overcome that.

is it too difficult to implemet?

2- Two teachers would like to have identic "schedule" so they have courses in the same intervale
for example: monday morning, tuesday morning, Wednesday afternoon....
so they can attend and leave school together

[Liviu Lalescu]

1) Each activity can take place in only one room. To change is very difficult. Please use dummy activities.

2) It seems also difficult.

I also received these requests in the past from other users, I think cannot make them, at least in the near future.

For 2), maybe try to lock them with not available, balance these periods (over the week) for all teachers.

[Volker Dirr]

2- Two teachers would like to have identic "schedule" so they have courses in the same intervale
for example: monday morning, tuesday morning, Wednesday afternoon....
so they can attend and leave school together

A little bit "better" then using "not available" constraint to both teachers is maybe this hint:
use pseudo activities.
add both teachers to the same activity, but no student.
maybe with duration 4+4 and also using an activity preferd starting time constraint. so you can lock by this 2 times 4 hours in the morning or afternoon.
just think twice about possible gap "problems". (because if there is a free period between this pseudo activity and a "real" lesson of that teacher, then that is counted as a gap, even it is not a real gap.)

hope you understood. Or should i explain more detailed?

[Chafik Graiguer]

Thanks for tricks
well, first I shall try Volker's trick,

add both teachers to the same activity, but no student

it is less restrictive
I will take it as trating point:
teacher T1 and teacher T2 wish to work together, to have an identic schedule
We have 4 periods per day: 1, 2, 3 and 4
I will add two more periods 5 and 6
All teachers and students not available on period 5 and 6 except the two teachers
If the two teachers have to work 4 days per week, I will add a dummy activity with 4 components, duration 2 for each one.( So number of compenents= niumber of working days per week)

if there is a free period between this pseudo activity and a "real" lesson of that teacher, then that is counted as a gap, even it is not a real gap

To avoid this, dummy activities should always end teachers day, as follow:
-Those  activities are available only on periods: 3, 4, 5 and 6. So there cant be any REAL activities after dummy activities , which means gaps
We could as well make preferemd starting times: periods 3, 4 and 5
This is also to avoid gaps
Since we have 2 Min hours daily by national standarts, I will make   Min hours daily=4 for the two teachers

Now, some scenarios:
If teachers T1 and T2 have lessons on periods 1 and 2, the dummy activity will be on periods 3 and 4
If teachers T1 and T2 have lessons on periods 1, 2 and 3, the dummy activity will be on periods 4 and 5
If teachers T1 and T2 have lessons on periods 2 and 3, the dummy activity will be on periods 4 and 5
If teachers T1 and T2 have lessons on periods 1, 2, 3 and 4, the dummy activity will be on periods 5 and 6

[Volker Dirr]

Ok. that is also an variant, but you "force" activities to be late (not early) to that teachers.
Maybe modify your variant by also adding 2 previous periods (period 0 and -1). So they can be also early, but not late.

i think it depend on your school data to know which variant is better (My, yours, or your modified one).

[silvia]

sorry to chime in, but I just wanted to tell Alfaromeo how I do those divided activities (2 teachers with the same group but getting 2 rooms.

If I have group G1, I created 2 subgroups only for that purpose: G1-1 and G1-2.
Then I add the activity for G1-1 and teacher T1 (a room will be assigned) and I add another activity for G1-2 and teacher T2 (another room will be assigned).
Then I add a time constraint that those 2 activities must have the same starting time and day.

I have to do this because when I publish the students timetables, they need to know what rooms they have to go to, and what teacher. FET will recognise G1-1 and G1-2 as part of G1, so those activities will be shown in the timetable for G1. If I used dummy activities, those rooms and teachers wouldn't show in the students timetable.

besides, I need to publish the timetables of rooms, and this method shows all those lessons with groups and teachers names

I hope this helps.

[Chafik Graiguer]

THanks Silvia
The better is to have a default support for team teaching,
or to have FET automatically create  those subgroups whenever there is a two teachers for one activity
I think FET is able to do so, because in the view timetable window, it adds a subgroup to every group, called "automatic subgroup"
nevertless, I will try your workaround

[Liviu Lalescu]

THanks Silvia
The better is to have a default support for team teaching,
or to have FET automatically create  those subgroups whenever there is a two teachers for one activity
I think FET is able to do so, because in the view timetable window, it adds a subgroup to every group, called "automatic subgroup"
nevertless, I will try your workaround

Maybe some persons have such activities with 2 teachers in only one room.

[Volker Dirr]

Maybe some persons have such activities with 2 teachers in only one room.

i know several schools with 2 (or even more teachers!) in a single room.
1) schools for blind students
2) school for learning-disabled students
...

and i also need that for "teacher meetings".
sometimes a few teachers have a meeting in a single room.

i i think it should stay at it currently is.

(but you are right, we should think about locking several rooms to one activity more easy then in the current version. maybe by a special constraint (without an activity added by a user. (of course we need an activity, but that can be added internaly, so a user don't need to do it.)) let me think some more.

[Volker Dirr]

i forgot 3 more reasons why teamteaching is needed by some schools:
c) for example teamteaching at subject swimming
d) school that want to use a fortnightly timetable (compare http://www.timetabling.de/manual/FET-manual.en.html#id_36 )
e) guy that want to become a teacher. that guys have teamteaching with a "real" teacher in one room.
...

i think there are more, but even this 5 reasons are enough to keep current version.

[Chafik Graiguer]

Well

Maybe some persons have such activities with 2 teachers in only one room.

i think there are more, but even this 5 reasons are enough to keep current version.

so a good trade off would be to have a check box in the "add activity" window for every activity with more than one teacher,  like this:
"automatically create subgroups for this activity"
I think that if FET add subgroups, it means booking more than one room
As I said before, FET already does that !! it adds automatic subgroups in the veiw timetable window
This way, if activity have 2 teachers , it means for FET to automatically add 2 subgroups, hence 2 rooms !
If activity have 3 teachers , it means for FET to automatically add 3 subgroups, hence 3 rooms !!!!!

Let us hope to see it added, in a way or in another :

(but you are right, we should think about locking several rooms to one activity more easy then in the current version. maybe by a special constraint (without an activity added by a user. (of course we need an activity, but that can be added internaly, so a user don't need to do it.)) let me think some more.